Does torchao support FP8 Grouped GEMM?

[zigzagcai]

Grouped GEMM kernels (https://github.com/fanshiqing/grouped_gemm) are used in many MoE models.

I just wander does torchao support FP8 kernels for Grouped GEMM, such like the three commonly used ops:

grouped_gemm.backend.gmm
grouped_gemm.ops.unpermute
grouped_gemm.ops.permute

[vkuzo]

hi @zigzagcai , we recently landed a grouped gemm API into core which includes fp8: https://github.com/pytorch/pytorch/pull/148531 . We plan to provide wrappers in torchao, although we do not have them just yet. cc @drisspg

[zigzagcai]

hi @zigzagcai , we recently landed a grouped gemm API into core which includes fp8: https://github.com/pytorch/pytorch/pull/148531 . We plan to provide wrappers in torchao, although we do not have them just yet. cc @drisspg

Thank you @vkuzo ! I just wander how can I use this aten newly needed grouped gemm ops?

[supriyar]

cc @HDCharles who has been looking into MoE quantization and grouped gemm recently

[HDCharles]

Hey,

I'm working to enable our existing quantization kernels to compose with group gemm its still in progress at the moment. As far as the core kernel, you can look at: https://github.com/pytorch/pytorch/pull/148531/files#diff-3f31c52b48cfddf8f4617d809f7695b2e4a1c78656f8c4b5143a4b45d01fcf23R1178

...for an example

[jeromeku]

@HDCharles @vkuzo

Interested in this as well and potentially helping tune the kernel.

There is a link mentioned in the grouped gemm PR describing the design of the grouped GEMM. How can I view the doc (access seems to be gated)?

[jerryzh168]

any follow ups / responses for this issue? @danielvegamyhre @HDCharles

[danielvegamyhre]

You can take a look at the prototype differentiable scaled grouped mm which performs dynamic fp8 rowwise quantization on the inputs then performs a torch._scaled_grouped_mm for the output. Similar steps are performed for the backward pass. It is still in the early stages and is primarily designed for MoE training where the inputs are:

• "A tensor" (2D input tensor w/ offsets defining the end idx of each group along dim0)
• "B tensor" (a 3D weights tensor of shape (num_experts, dim1, dim2)

I've added some custom triton kernels to compute per-group scaling factors without host-device sync, which improved perf alot (2x - 6x faster for most shapes). Take a look and let me know what you think!

[foreverlms]

@danielvegamyhre Hi, wondering why the scaled groupped mm has been removed?

[danielvegamyhre]

@danielvegamyhre Hi, wondering why the scaled groupped mm has been removed?

Hi, the prototype was just renamed to moe_training to capture all the other stuff it includes.