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"Reset configuration to factory defaults" would need a confirmation dialog.
When in the NVDA menu, some user sometimes incidentally press the R key (or its equivalent key in other languages) whici resets NVDA to factory defaults. Some are not able to reconfigure NVDA by themselves, and, in any case, it can take some times to get back to the wanted configuration. So, it would be nice if this reset function could have a confirmation dialog when the key is pressed.
Refer to https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6648#issuecomment-431714383, https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6648#issuecomment-720161834 for implementation details
NOTE that one can always go back to the saved configuration after a reset, since the reset configuration will only be saved after a quit of NVDA or an explicit save. That said, I agree a confirmation window would be helpful. I can send in a pr for this if core devs desire so.
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Op 17 dec. 2016 om 09:57 heeft MichelSuch [email protected] het volgende geschreven:
When in the NVDA menu, some user sometimes incidentally press the R key (or its equivalent key in other languages) whici resets NVDA to factory defaults. Some are not able to reconfigure NVDA by themselves, and, in any case, it can take some times to get back to the wanted configuration. So, it would be nice if this reset function could have a confirmation dialog when the key is pressed.
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If you followed the way windows system restore worked you would need to have a way back to the saved most recent config as well of course. the question is, how far down the road do you want this to go. Its a bit like the undo function in an editor, how far do you go? Brian
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When in the NVDA menu, some user sometimes incidentally press the R key (or its equivalent key in other languages) whici resets NVDA to factory defaults. Some are not able to reconfigure NVDA by themselves, and, in any case, it can take some times to get back to the wanted configuration. So, it would be nice if this reset function could have a confirmation dialog when the key is pressed.
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I think a simple dialog like:
Do you really want to get back to factory settings ?
OK
Cancel
would be enough.
Just to inform unexperimented users about what they have done.
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Le 17/12/2016 à 12:12, Brian1Gaff a écrit :
If you followed the way windows system restore worked you would need to have a way back to the saved most recent config as well of course. the question is, how far down the road do you want this to go. Its a bit like the undo function in an editor, how far do you go? Brian
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When in the NVDA menu, some user sometimes incidentally press the R key (or its equivalent key in other languages) whici resets NVDA to factory defaults. Some are not able to reconfigure NVDA by themselves, and, in any case, it can take some times to get back to the wanted configuration. So, it would be nice if this reset function could have a confirmation dialog when the key is pressed.
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The problem here is that sometimes, users need to use this (generally via a triple press of NVDA+control+r) to recover from a situation where they've changed configuration such that speech or braille (whichever is their primary output method) is unusable. If we force a dialog on the user in order to proceed, they may simply not be able to recover, since they can't read the dialog. As noted earlier, you can always immediately revert to the saved configuration if you do this by mistake.
Perhaps we could display a dialog after the reset. Informing users of what happened and how to revert to the previously saved configuration.
We could restore to defaults and then show a dialog with undo and okay buttons.
On 12/18/2016 3:53 PM, James Teh wrote:
The problem here is that sometimes, users need to use this (generally via a triple press of NVDA+control+r) to recover from a situation where they've changed configuration such that speech or braille (whichever is their primary output method) is unusable. If we force a dialog on the user in order to proceed, they may simply not be able to recover, since they can't read the dialog. As noted earlier, you can always immediately revert to the saved configuration if you do this by mistake.
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I read Reefs mind literally at the same time he read mine.
On 12/18/2016 7:09 PM, Reef Turner wrote:
Perhaps we could display a dialog after the reset. Informing users of what happened and how to revert to the previously saved configuration.
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Yes, this looks good.
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Le 19/12/2016 à 03:10, derekriemer a écrit :
We could restore to defaults and then show a dialog with undo and okay buttons.
On 12/18/2016 3:53 PM, James Teh wrote:
The problem here is that sometimes, users need to use this (generally via a triple press of NVDA+control+r) to recover from a situation where they've changed configuration such that speech or braille (whichever is their primary output method) is unusable. If we force a dialog on the user in order to proceed, they may simply not be able to recover, since they can't read the dialog. As noted earlier, you can always immediately revert to the saved configuration if you do this by mistake.
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yes, good for me.
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Le 2016-12-21 à 10:29, Reef Turner a écrit :
If everyone is happy with this UX then I will set this to priority 3.
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I agree. Might dive into implementing this later this or next week. Shouldn't be that difficult.
After discussing this with @dkager, I think it is useless to add a confirmation prompt in case of triple nvda+ctrl+r. This is a hotkey which is quite difficult to press unintentionally, so people using this hotkey do know what they're doing. Furthermore, after another nvda+ctrl+r, they are back to the last saved configuration. The dialog can be shown before the reset in the case that only the menu item will make it show up.
Yes, in fact the original idea was to bring up this dialog when performing reset from the NVDA menu, which may result of a non intentionnal key press.
I agree with @leonardder. The primary scenario for me is that I want to press NVDA+N, P, R but accidentally leave out the P. To restore the config through the menu, I would say memorizing NVDA+N, R, Enter (to confirm) isn't harder than if you leave out the Enter at the end. Of course the user has to know that a confirmation dialog will pop up, but that can be added to the user guide.
We still have some debate with regards to the UX of this suggestion. Thoughts/inputs? @jcsteh @leonardder @dkager and other participants...
If all who were involved in the discussion agree that a confirmation dialog would be helpful in the case that this option is activated from the menu, that would help. Still, I belief that a confirmation is not necessary in case of a triple nvda+control+r.
I agree with all the conversation to date, I think EITHER show a prompt after resetting (however the reset is activated) with options to undo or ok. or have the option to show a prompt only when resetting from the menu. I tend to favour the first option. I think it's unlikely you'll inadvertently reset to factory defaults using the keystroke, but you shouldn't need to do it so often than an extra prompt is that much of a hassle. It is more likely that a user might accidentally trigger the menu option. I was also thinking that putting a prompt before the reset only when triggered via the menu option could still cause problems, as you might mess up the voice and be unable to understand it, but remember how to get to the option via the menu rather than the keystroke.
In looking at a couple of other settings screens not currently covered by the reset to factory defaults, I found:
- Input gestures currently has a "Reset to factory defaults" button.
- Punctuation / Symbol pronunciation does not have the ability to reset to factory defaults, and I have proposed this in issue #3762.
- Speech dictionaries also currently have no setting to reset to defauls, and I have proposed such a setting in #11802.
Additionally, I would like to propose here, that when implementing a dialog confirmation for resetting to factory defaults, that the dialog offer checkboxes to also reset speech dictionaries, symbol pronunciation and input gestures.
Finally, a checkbox could also be included to disable all add-ons, as per #10134
I just press the reset configuration to factory default by accident. I really would like nvda to have a double confirmation before it really applys reset.
#16373 has been also closed due to the concerns already covered in this issue. I think a dialog is tricky to implement here because either speech or braille could be set in wrong language or could be broken at all so the dialog becomes unusable. I am in favor of just displaying a dialog after settings have been reset, as proposed by Reef and Derek in https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6648#issuecomment-267866668 and next.
I believe just a simple confirmation dialog would be no huge deal. It would help a lot of users who are unexperienced, and even I who uses NVDA for 2 years now nuked my configuration yesterday and had no clue how to get it back, especially because I originally only wanted to restart NVDA and couldn't revert back, and had no clue if and where backups are.
@Jonathans859 as discussed earlier, it would be a "huge" deal. Consider: a user has broken NVDA so that it doesn't speak, or isn't emitting braille. Or, it is speaking so fast, or in a foreign language, that the user can't understand it.
How can such a user respond to such a dialog, when they don't even know it is being shown?
I still believe that the best compromise is to reset automatically, but then do not automatically save the new configuration on exit.
@XLTechie Sorry if I'm doing something wrong with the mentioning here, I use github issues for the first time. Well but then you can say that for many other dialogs as well. I get it, but a simple yes no dialog? Hmm, I mean you have a vallied point, and I would have no problem if it would be like you said, as long as there is something which prevents your config to say bye bye...
I think a solution has already been discussed though: reset to factory defaults, and then explain what has happened and offer the option to go back.
@Jonathans859 You are using issues as expected for this project as far as i can tell, nothing to worry about here.
The current experience for resetting is certainly not ideal, we can agree on that point. I know too many users who have done as you did, and lost their configurations.
But I also know of some who have gotten into situations like I described, and being able to run that command "blindly" (without any feedback), has been the only way out.
I think the intent is for the key to be pressed once, which will reset to the currently saved config. If NVDA still isn't working, it is then assumed that the saved config is corrupted, and factory resetting won't hurt anything at that point.
@XLTechie @Qchristensen I also support displaying a confirmation dialog upon pressing the key stroke or selecting the Reset configuration to factory defaults menu item. Honestly it's rather odd that such an important feature is executed without seeking user confirmation. For the sake of comparison, JAWS also offers a similar feature, but when it's activated, the following dialog gets displayed: Restore to Factory Settings This option will delete all your current settings and restart JAWS. Are you sure you want to continue? Yes No
I believe the solution proposed by Reef - reset to factory defaults and THEN display a dialog informing the user what has happened with the option to go back if needed.
While there may be situations (and it may be most likely you are in such a situation when needing the reset) where you cannot hear or understand NVDA for whatever reason, but there shouldn't be many situations where you cannot understand NVDA at factory default settings. This is also how I recall Windows behaving when you change things like screen resolution.
The main thing to consider is if you did press it inadvertently and want to go back - would NVDA need to save a temporary copy of settings at that point just in case? Or would it go back to the previously saved settings?
I'm not in favour of actually saving the settings before reverting as the main time most users will want to revert is if there is a big problem, so the last thing you want is for those settings to be saved and then come back.
I agree though that we shouldn't save the default settings when the user shuts NVDA down after a reset. We should call this out in the dialog.
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#16373 https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/16373 has been also closed due to the concerns already covered in this issue. I think a dialog is tricky to implement here because either speech or braille could be set in wrong language or could be broken at all so the dialog becomes unusable. I am in favor of just displaying a dialog after settings have been reset, as proposed by Reef and Derek in #6648 (comment) https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6648#issuecomment-267866668 and next.
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