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Cultures: Asia

Open ghost opened this issue 6 years ago • 8 comments

ghost avatar Oct 03 '19 15:10 ghost

We could add Turco-Mongol, as a melting pot.

ghost avatar Oct 06 '19 21:10 ghost

It would basically be Tartars

ghost avatar Oct 07 '19 12:10 ghost

Sounds good. One of the more obvious candidates for melting pots. Make it so.

LordPeter avatar Oct 07 '19 14:10 LordPeter

I have two more suggestions regarding this area:

Turkic

  • Bashkir (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashkirs)
  • Kipchak ? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchaks)

Legend: "+" denotes existing Plus culture "*" denotes suggested new culture "?" denotes an undecided candidacy "->" denotes a renaming suggestion "[ ]" denotes an alternate name for clarification, which need not be changed to "#future" denotes cultures planned for inclusion after the map transition, when more parts of the map are visible

LordPeter avatar Oct 08 '19 14:10 LordPeter

... and I forgot Mongolic. More suggestions. First, I suggest Tungustic to be split off after all (consistency!). And then splitting Mongol into some subgroups because they aren't that homogeneous (consider this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Mongol_Empire_c.1207.png and this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Mongolia_XI.jpg):

Mongolic

  • Oirat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oirats)
  • Buryat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buryats)
  • Mongol->Khamag [Temüjin's original tribal confederation] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khamag_Mongol)
  • Naiman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naimans)
  • Keraite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keraites)

Tungusic

  • Jurchen (this one is pretty much offmap and China exclusive, like Han)

Legend: "+" denotes existing Plus culture "*" denotes suggested new culture "?" denotes an undecided candidacy "->" denotes a renaming suggestion "[ ]" denotes an alternate name for clarification, which need not be changed to "#future" denotes cultures planned for inclusion after the map transition, when more parts of the map are visible

LordPeter avatar Oct 08 '19 15:10 LordPeter

Some more - is Siberia Central Asian? I think so, or at least more than it is European. I suggest having Samodeic (renamed because Samoyedic is a somewhat derogatory Russian term) be split off from Finno-Ugric because it is not part of it, but rather both language groups are part of the same "supergroup" (Uralic).

Yeniseian#future (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeniseian_people)

  • Ket#future

Samodeic [Samoyedic] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoyedic_peoples)

  • Nenets (basically the current Samoyedic culture)
  • Enets#future
  • Selkup#future

Legend: "+" denotes existing Plus culture "*" denotes suggested new culture "?" denotes an undecided candidacy "->" denotes a renaming suggestion "[ ]" denotes an alternate name for clarification, which need not be changed to "#future" denotes cultures planned for inclusion after the map transition, when more parts of the map are visible

LordPeter avatar Oct 08 '19 15:10 LordPeter

(Small note: Edited the Mongolic suggestion because I mixed up the modern "Khalka" group with the historical "Khamag" group.)

LordPeter avatar Oct 08 '19 16:10 LordPeter

Okay what I would keep from the latest suggestions:

  • Split Mongolic and Tungusic (for consistency, they are quite different)

  • Add Kipchak to Turkic

  • Split Samodeic from Finno-Ugric and add Nenets (old Samoyedic) as a culture to it

The rest is forfeit for now. But it's posted here so if at some point in the future it makes sense, we can get back to it (also applies to the other culture issues).

LordPeter avatar Oct 10 '19 13:10 LordPeter