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USA Paradrop Generals Power is very rarely used

Open xezon opened this issue 3 years ago • 22 comments

USA Paradrop Generals Power is very rarely used. Players typically prefer the A10 and Spectre Gunship Promotions. Check if it can be better and more attractive.

Stats

SpecialPower SuperweaponParadropAmerica
  ReloadTime = 240000

ObjectCreationList SUPERWEAPON_Paradrop1
  Payload = AmericaInfantryRanger 5

ObjectCreationList SUPERWEAPON_Paradrop2
  Payload = AmericaInfantryRanger 10

ObjectCreationList SUPERWEAPON_Paradrop3
  Payload = AmericaInfantryRanger 20

Proposal 1

Reduce cooldown time.

Proposal 2

Add a few Missile Defenders into the Ranger group (2 or 3, suggested by Dominator)

Proposal 3

Reduce to 1 Special Power only

Proposal 4

Make Soldiers in Parachute controllable - like in Contra Mod.

xezon avatar Jul 17 '22 19:07 xezon

Missile Defenders do have a parachute animation. As have Pathfinders and Col. Burton (as have Red Guards, Tank Hunters, Hackers and Lotus).

commy2 avatar Jul 18 '22 05:07 commy2

Nice. Let's add 2 Pathfinders and 6 Burtons in the Paradrop.

xezon avatar Jul 18 '22 05:07 xezon

It's best just to make the cooldown non-existent, It should be four minutes now. Try 1 minute, It already gets 20% more infantry than rebel ambush, 16 vs 20. If 1 minute is too high increase to 90 seconds

USA-Bruce avatar Jul 30 '22 09:07 USA-Bruce

It's best just to make the cooldown non-existent, It should be four minutes now.

Try 1 minute, It already gets 20% more infantry than rebel ambush, 16 vs 20.

If 1 minute is too high increase to 90 seconds

Thing is you can make lvl 1 more attractive, but 2 & 3 will never be chosen ever.

Proposal: remove lvl 1 and 3

ImTimK avatar Jul 30 '22 09:07 ImTimK

Thought I answered already, put some MDs in it, maybe Pathis on level 3?

Maybe decrease timer as well.

Will add strats if used more frequently, which is good.

ReLaX82 avatar Aug 14 '22 19:08 ReLaX82

Pathfinders are interesting, because that could be an alternative to "unlocking" them without having to spend a genpoint on them.

commy2 avatar Aug 14 '22 19:08 commy2

Proposal 2 and 4 for me

MTKing4 avatar Jun 21 '23 10:06 MTKing4

Stage 1: 3 Ranger 2 MD Stage 2: 6 Ranger 4 MD Stage 3: 12 Ranger 8 MD

If stage 2 & 3 are still never chosen, consider replacing some of the MDs with Pathfinders.

What about Infgen Paradrop?

commy2 avatar Jun 21 '23 11:06 commy2

Would require an engine change to support it, but in C&C 3, the "Bloodhounds" ability airlifts in regular war factory units, but as rank 1 veterans, which is a nice touch.

commy2 avatar Jun 21 '23 11:06 commy2

Stage 1: 3 Ranger 2 MD Stage 2: 6 Ranger 4 MD Stage 3: 12 Ranger 8 MD

If stage 2 & 3 are still never chosen, consider replacing some of the MDs with Pathfinders.

that is a nice setup, i do think level 3 would be picked for 8 MDs, i think adding Pathfinders is too much

What about Infgen Paradrop?

i think it's fine and usable, inf drops are strong as they are now.

MTKing4 avatar Jun 21 '23 11:06 MTKing4

Stage 1: 3 Ranger 2 MD Stage 2: 6 Ranger 4 MD Stage 3: 12 Ranger 8 MD

Looks like interesting setup.

xezon avatar Jun 21 '23 12:06 xezon

20 Rangers are worth 4500 12 Rangers + 8 Rocket Men are worth 5100

xezon avatar Jun 21 '23 12:06 xezon

Ranger and MD also yield the same amount of XP (20) when killed, so in that respect, they are interchangeable.

commy2 avatar Jun 21 '23 12:06 commy2

How to add different Payloads to a single plane?

ObjectCreationList SupW_SUPERWEAPON_Paradrop1
  DeliverPayload
    Transport = AmericaJetCargoPlane
    StartAtPreferredHeight = Yes
    StartAtMaxSpeed = Yes
    MaxAttempts = 4
    DropOffset = X:0 Y:0 Z:-10
    DropDelay = 150         ; time in between each item dropped (if more than one)
    ParachuteDirectly = Yes ; will tell all contained parachutes to go ahead and bunch
    PutInContainer = AmericaParachute
    Payload = SupW_AmericaInfantryRanger 5
    DeliveryDistance = 0  ;when outbound vehicle must be this close to target to continue delivery
    PreOpenDistance = 300 ;When inbound, vehicle can be this much farther than DeliveryDistance to begin delivery
    DeliveryDecalRadius = 50
    DeliveryDecal
      Texture           = SCCParadrop_USA
      Style             = SHADOW_ALPHA_DECAL
      OpacityMin        = 25%
      OpacityMax        = 50%
      OpacityThrobTime  = 500
      Color             = R:227 G:229 B:22 A:255
      OnlyVisibleToOwningPlayer = Yes
    End
    ;RequiresLivePlayer = Yes ; I want to require a live player, but I'll settle for dropping neutral rangers instead
  End
End

xezon avatar Jun 21 '23 15:06 xezon

You can add multiple Payload tokens:

Payload = SupW_AmericaInfantryRanger 3 Payload = SupW_AmericaInfantryMissileDefender 2

commy2 avatar Jun 21 '23 15:06 commy2

Wow really advanced ++++

xezon avatar Jun 21 '23 15:06 xezon

40% md's is very strong, on one hand this is needed to make it a viable alternative, on the other hand level 1 could be a little too powerful? It will be very good at shutting down an entire china airfield and kill all migs on it.

ImTimK avatar Jun 21 '23 17:06 ImTimK

It will be very good at shutting down an entire china airfield and kill all Migs on it.

If there are more use cases for the Paradrop then I think that speaks for this change. China can still defend it, by parking 1 or 2 Gattlings, Minigunners near the Airfield for example. To me it reads like it would add tactical depth, which makes the game effectively richer for it.

xezon avatar Jun 21 '23 17:06 xezon

40% md's is very strong, on one hand this is needed to make it a viable alternative, on the other hand level 1 could be a little too powerful? It will be very good at shutting down an entire china airfield and kill all migs on it.

It's only 2 MDs, they can be shut down with one gat, possibly before landing, A10 is a safer option

MTKing4 avatar Jun 21 '23 19:06 MTKing4

can be shot in the air?

ImTimK avatar Jun 21 '23 21:06 ImTimK

Pretty sure they can be yeah, although it's a small window since they drop so fast

MTKing4 avatar Jun 21 '23 21:06 MTKing4

I think Stage 1: 3 Ranger 2 MD Stage 2: 7 Ranger 4 MD Stage 3: 15 Ranger 6 MD

AIR-Z avatar Nov 04 '25 21:11 AIR-Z